1884–85 Dumbarton F.C. season

1884–85 season

Stadium

Boghead Park, Dumbarton

Third Round

Season 1884–85 was the 12th Scottish football season in which Dumbarton competed at a national level, entering the Scottish Cup for the 12th time.

Overview

Dumbarton's run in the Scottish Cup was short-lived as they were knocked out in the third round by Pollokshields Athletic.^[1]

As the sport continued to grow, so did the demand for more competitive football, and so began the setting up of regional competitions for clubs in specific counties/cities. The first was nine years earlier with the first playing of the East of Scotland Shield (formerly the Edinburgh FA Cup) and with the formation of the Dumbartonshire Football Association in March 1884, the first Dumbartonshire Cup was put up for competition. With three of the strongest teams in the country at the time playing out of Dumbartonshire, it was no easy feat to win the cup, and Dumbarton required to see off both of their strongest local rivals, Renton in the first round and Vale of Leven in the final, to become the first winners for the county cup.

Dumbarton also reached the final of the Glasgow Charity Cup for the second time. Three tough matches against Rangers were followed by a final against their old adversary Queen's Park, where they lost by the only goal.

During the season, 22 'other' matches were played, including a 0-0 draw against Queen's Park to celebrate the opening of the 'new' Hampden Park and 5 games were played against English opposition with mixed success. Overall, of these matches, 9 were won, 7 drawn and 6 lost, scoring 50 goals and conceding 30.

Results

Win
Draw
Loss

All results are written with Dumbarton's score first.

Scottish Cup

Main article: 1884-85 Scottish Cup

Date	Rd	Opponent	Venue	Result	Scorers
	R1	Leverndale		WO
4 October 1884	R2	Albion	H	2-0	Hutton;unknown
25 October 1884	R3	Pollokshields Athletic	A	1-4	unknown

Dumbartonshire Cup

Date	Rd	Opponent	Venue	Result	Scorers	Attendance
1 November 1884	R1	Renton	H	4-0	Lindsay(2);Brown;unknown	5,000
13 December 1884	R2	Helensburgh Athletic	H	10-1	Lindsay(2);Liddell;Brown;Wilson;Miller,J;McAulay;unknown(3)
17 January 1885	SF	Yoker	H	3-1	Wilson;Keir;Watt
28 March 1885	F	Vale of Leven	A	3-0	Lindsay(2);McKinnon	3,000

Glasgow Charity Cup

Date	Rd	Opponent	Venue	Result	Scorers	Attendance
11 April 1885	SF	Rangers	A	2-2	OG(2)	3,500
18 April 1885	SFr	Rangers	A	1-1	unknown	5,000
2 May 1885	SFr	Rangers	A	1-0	Lindsay	7,000
9 May 1885	F	Queen's Park	A	0-1		3,500

Other Matches

Date	Opponent	Venue	Result	Scorers	Attendance
30 August 1884	Partick Thistle	H	4-1	unknown
13 September 1884	Walsall Swifts	H	2-0	Brown;Keir
20 September 1884	Renfrew	H	3-0	Meikleham(2);McAulay
27 September 1884	Rangers	A	2-3	Brown,R(S);unknown	3,000
18 October 1884	Queen's Park	A	0-0		6,000
15 November 1884	Clyde	H	6-2	unknown
22 November 1884	Renton	A	3-2	Liddell(2);Lindsay	5,000
29 November 1884	Queen's Park	H	1-1	Brown	3,000
20 December 1884	Vale of Leven	A	6-1	Liddell(2);Lindsay;Brown,R(S);OG;unknown	5,000
27 December 1884	Queen's Park	A	1-2	Brown	5,000
1 January 1885	Blackburn Rovers	A	0-2		10,000
2 January 1885	Astley Bridge	A	0-4
3 January 1885	Walsall Swifts	A	1-1	Kennedy	2,000
5 January 1885	Aston Villa	A	1-1	Liddell	5,000
24 January 1885	Port Glasgow Athletic	A	3-3	Brown;unknown(2)
7 February 1885	Abercorn	A	3-0	unknown
14 February 1885	Hibernian	A	1-2	Keir	2,500
14 March 1885	Arthurlie	H	1-3	unknown	2,500
21 March 1885	Jamestown	H	1-1	OG
4 April 1885	Hearts	H	3-0	McKinnon(2);McMillan
25 April 1885	Airdrie	H	1-1	OG
16 May 1885	Dundee Our Boys	A	7-0	Lindsay(4);McKinnon(2);Kennedy

Appearances

Club

This shows appearances made for Dumbarton in Scottish Cup matches only.^[2]

Player	Position^[3]	Appearances	Goals^[4]
Black	FW	1
Robert 'Plumber' Brown	FW	2
Robert 'Sparrow' Brown	FW	2
Jock Hutcheson	BK	2
Hutton	FW	1	1
Leitch Keir	HB	2
Andrew Kennedy	FW	1
James Liddell	FW	2
Joe Lindsay	FW	1
James McAulay	GK	2
William McKinnon	FW	1
Peter Miller	HB	2
Michael Paton	FW	1
Hugh Wilson	BK	2

International

Main article: Scotland national football team 1872–1914 results

An international trial match was played on 7 March 1885 to consider selection of teams to represent Scotland in the upcoming games against England and Wales in the 1885 British Home Championship. Robert 'Plumber' Brown, Joe Lindsay, James McAulay and Michael Paton all took part.

Subsequently, five Dumbarton players were selected to play, as follows:

- Robert 'Plumber' Brown and Leitch Keir both earned their first caps against Wales.

- Joe Lindsay earned his sixth and seventh caps against England and Wales respectively. He scored the only goal in the 1-1 draw against the English - and scored a hat-trick in the 8-1 defeat of Wales.

- James McAulay earned his fifth and sixth caps against England and Wales respectively.

- Michael Paton earned his third and fourth caps against England and Wales respectively.

County

The Dumbartonshire Football Association played three representative matches during the season and Dumbarton players were selected to play as follows:

Date	Opponent	Result	Players(Goals)
11 October 1884	Glasgow	3-3	McAulay;Keir;Brown,P;Brown,S(1);Lindsay;Miller
31 January 1885	Renfrewshire	4-2	McAuley;Hutcheson;Miller;Brown,P;Lindsay;Liddell(1)
7 March 1885	Edinburgh	4-1	Hutcheson;Miller;Keir;Brown,S;McKinnon(1)

In addition on the same day as the Edinburgh match, an 'Other Counties' team played against a Glasgow XI, with McAulay; Paton; Brown (Plumber) and Lindsay all selected.

Reserve Team

Dumbarton withdrew from the Second Eleven Association in protest at the unsuccessful attempt to have the previous year's final against Kilmarnock Athletic replayed.

References

↑ Smailes, Gordon (1995). The Breedon Book of Scottish Football Records. Derby: Breedon Books. ISBN 1-85983-020-X.
↑ McAllister, Jim (2002). The Sons of the Rock - The Official History of Dumbarton Football Club. Dumbarton: J&J Robertson Printers.
↑ The usual formation would be 2-2-6 (two backs, two half backs and six forwards).
↑ Due to the limited reporting of football at the time, the scorers of 2 of the 3 goals scored in Scottish Cup matches are unknown.

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